From General De GAULLE : – “German hate speech law is the FUTURE of Europe : – first in Germany, then in Italy, Spain, Great Britain and France ! Would you believe ! Surprise, surprise ! Or dialogue at european summit ? If all the Republicans and french President, Laurent WAUQUIEZ, don’t combat Internet State censorship, your political opponents are going to everything possible to destabilize us, to make us lose the elections. YOU KNOW THAT !?! »

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Image chosen by the General De GAULLE himself

You must inform you of what happens in the world.

Corrupted governments are afraid of american and european peoples.

So they are ready to do whatever it takes to cling to power, and that includes attacking the Nations

and their legitimate, democratically elected representatives if they join a political party of the opposite side, the Republicans in France.

You should be informed of such changes immediately.

Hate crimes are « gross » exaggeration and even pure and simple invention !

[German pronounciation by a General fighting against Nazi regime]

A crime is to hurt and kill somebody, not to speak to him.

It looks like as if all european politicians went crazy.

Hate crime is to have been accused of “gross” exaggeration and even pure and simple invention.

So where is the CRIME ?

The crime is to be too silly to understand what you see, hear and read !

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How can you accept to be treated like that ?

  • Like if you are not a clever and educated person but a stupid dunce !

Intellectuel sterilization, censorship, will make you, men, dull and stupid, like castrated chickens.

Because european dictators want that their values and their ways of living are UNIVERSAL, the correct ones for all people.

So, for them, the “others” are just too stupid to understand this « obvious fact » :

– « They are the BEST ! »

Officials and other servants and the Union federal’s structures that are involved in European integration Dare not deceived by medias, in conjunction with the established governments :

Republicans today are regarded as a threat to the disgraceful objectives of the conquest of power by the “foul beast” that is always revealed too late.

The time has come to RESIST and to REFUSE these socialist laws !

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Second, it was the execution of that broken promise, to protect the french population, by the interior minister who was absolutely incompetent.

The REAL risk is TERRORISM, ACTS OF TERRORISM,

  • not speaking or writing in a blog or in a media. 

Everywhere in the world, speaking, listening, writing and reading help to shape communities over time if they accept to debate.

If there is little to debate, it’s because you are under the thumb of a horrible and zealot dictatorship !

Why to give the opportunity to choose freedom  to people under religious dictatorship if it is not strategic interest for humanity ?

Do you prefer WAR, physical war than theoretical war ?

I am sure that NATO PREFER WAR,

  • NUCLEAR WAR IN EUROPE !

  • No doubt !
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And I ACCUSE your presidents of false democratic Republics TO WANT TO PROVOKE the WAR in EUROPE by increasing censorship.

  • Or is it INCOMPETENCE ?

And to be INCOMPETENT is a political CRIME in times of WAR.

Nowadays we often hear the claim that the world is at your fingertips :

  • one click and you have access to the whole world.

What’s the matter with free speech ?

– Are you wimps or cowards to be afraid to see or hear what you don’t like ?

– Are you adults, political independant people, not serves or slaves ?

Or are you children, scared by the possibility that their « parents »,

  • your states,

  • your governments,

could be monitoring what they say ?

On the occasion of this prestigious event,

  • the censorship against this so little blog  « Dèu vos guard »,

  • my words against their weapons of war,

I have asked Véronique HURTADO to provide some informations about commercial operations called « hate speech law » in this fascinating part of the world, Europe,

  • the craddle of Western civilization and ancient Greece, motherland of the Republic

  • against tyrannical regime like NAZI Regime, a german regime.

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– Please, young lady,

[This is a joke between the General and me]

  • would you copy on this page the selected articles on the topic and some interesting comments that will help enlighten the debate ?

Thank you !

[How can you say “No” to the General De GAULLE when he is speaking to you ?]

– Yes, General !

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FIRST ARTICLE

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180102/14194238913/german-hate-speech-law-goes-into-effect-turning-social-media-platforms-into-govt-revenue-generators.shtml

[German Hate Speech Law Goes Into Effect, Turning Social Media Platforms Into Gov’t Revenue Generators

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from the gentlemen:-start-your-paperwork dept

Social media platforms doing business in Germany can look forward to a year filled with fines of up to €50m. Germany’s hate speech law went into effect on January 1st, providing the country with a new revenue stream it can tap into for the rest of whatever.

The Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz (NetzDG) law was passed at the end of June 2017 and came into force in early October.

The social networks were given until the end of 2017 to prepare themselves for the arrival of NetzDG.

The law gives social media platforms 24 hours to remove “obviously illegal” content. This, of course, raises the question about how obvious “obviously illegal” content needs to be to trigger the 24-hour deletion requirement. Presumably, the government gets to decide how “obvious” the illegality is and how often it gets to collect millions of euros.

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In what must be considered a show of government largesse, one week will be allowed to handle “complex” removal orders — again, something likely determined solely by the German government. Given Germany’s ultra-weird relationship with its Nazi past, the difference between complex and simple takedown demands isn’t likely to be clear cut, putting companies in the path of fines and further German government grousing.

I understand that American companies are somewhat obliged to follow local laws when providing services overseas, but they should not be put in the position of being held criminally and civilly liable for the posts of their users. They can attempt to moderate content with an eye on local statutes, but the fines for posting “obviously illegal” content should be levied on the person posting it, rather than the service provider.

This ridiculous shifting of liability is even more egregious in Germany. Not only are service providers fined for not removing illegal content, EMPLOYEES of these companies can be directly fined as well.

[T]he law also provides for fines of up to €5m for the person each company designates to deal with the complaints procedure if it doesn’t meet requirements.

We often see government officials claiming the billions of dollars in profits Google, Facebook, et al rack up somehow should result in perfect compliance with every esoteric, content-related complaint worldwide. But no one’s claimed individual employees tasked with government compliance are callous billionaires, and yet the German hate speech law makes that equation with its willingness to bankrupt individuals for not responding to government removal demands fast enough.

There are concerns in Germany this law could lead to government censorship and a restriction of free speech. These concerns have already materialized somewhat indirectly. A regime with an interest in censorship and curtailing criticism has already pushed out a carbon-copy of Germany’s law. This gives Russia the opportunity to push companies into performing censorship on its behalf, with Germany to point at when critics start questioning Russia’s actions. ]

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Some sensible comments :

[Anonymous Coward, 3 Jan 2018 @ 10:00am

What if one of the Hate Speech SS-Obersturmführer leaders posts hate speech from an official account?

The official account will be fined, but in summarizing the hate speech will itself commit hate speech and be fined.

This becomes an endless circle until the Government starts putting yellow stars on Youtubers and rounding them up into special “video re-education” camps. ]

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[ Anonymous Coward, 3 Jan 2018 @ 10:01am

Uberfuhere Merkel, we have simplified the process of “complex takedowns”.

How?

We simply takedown the original poster using a rifle. ]

 

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SECOND ARTICLE

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180105/15544738943/it-took-only-three-days-germanys-new-hate-speech-law-to-cause-collateral-damage.shtml

It Took Only Three Days For Germany’s New Hate Speech Law To Cause Collateral Damage

from the carpet-bombing,-but-for-speech dept

[ Germany’s new hate speech law just went into effect at the beginning of the year and it’s already paying off. But not in the way German government officials expected, nor in the way anyone who isn’t in the German government wanted it to.

The law is a bad one: it criminalizes certain speech, which is already problematic. The problems go much deeper than that, though. Instead of targeting German citizens who post illegal speech, the government targets American social media platforms, demanding the removal of illegal posts in less than 24 hours on the pain of up to €50m fines. On top of that, employees of service providers tasked with removals can also be fined €5m personally for not reacting fast enough to government demands.

So, it’s bad. And determining what is or isn’t illegal is in the eyes of government beholders. Faced with the prospect of expensive fines, Twitter, Facebook, etc. are probably not going to be second-guessing many government requests for content deletion. Worse, it’s going to encourage service providers to be proactive, amplifying the underlying vagueness of the German “hate speech” law. False positives are a given. We just didn’t expect the collateral damage to occur so quickly.

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A German satirical magazine’s Twitter account was blocked after it parodied anti-Muslim comments, the publication said on Wednesday, in what the national journalists association said showed the downside of a new law against online hate speech.

Titanic magazine was mocking Beatrix von Storch, a member of the right-wing Alternative for Germany (AfD) party, who accused police of trying “to appease the barbaric, Muslim, rapist hordes of men” by putting out a tweet in Arabic.

Twitter briefly suspended her account and prosecutors are examining if her comments amount to incitement to hatred.

Titanic magazine published its send-up late on Tuesday, in a tweet purporting to be from von Storch to the police, saying: “The last thing that I want is mollified barbarian, Muslim, gang-raping hordes of men.”

This was exactly what journalists (and satirists) were warning against as the hate speech law was being pushed through the legislature: collateral damage. Not only could the law potentially do harm to journalism, it was perfectly capable of damaging other forms of speech, like satire.

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The magazine’s writers are shocked at this turn of events. They likely didn’t expect an American social media company to be making judgment calls on speech ahead of German censors. Prosecutors are “examining” the politician’s comments for possible illegality, but no one seems too eager to explain why Twitter nuked a satirical account as well. The Titanic’s publishers say Chancellor Merkel herself promised writers the law wouldn’t have this effect. But here we are, observing this exact effect in motion — one completely expected by everyone asking their representatives for a better, more narrowly-crafted law.

Laws regulating speech need light touches and deft craftsmanship. They rarely, if ever, get them. Germany’s new speech law didn’t even make it a week before it started taking out innocent bystanders. And the law’s just getting started. ]

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Some sensible comments :

Anonymous Coward, 8 Jan 2018 @ 9:16am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

[I am interested to know how my ‘what about-isms’ take place outside the public square, or are irrelevant to social media.

Films, comics, cartoons, discussions, all of these things are incredibly relevant on social media. Embedding, tweeting, retweeting, sharing, posting… every example I gave finds its way onto social media. This is without pointing out that I only gave examples of things that ARE public, whether online or not.

Not to mention, if you think that this law going unchallenged, these cases punishing satire setting precedent allowed to stay on the books won’t be used to gradually ratchet up enforcement in other venues you have not paid much attention to how laws grow and propagate.

‘Well we punish satire on social media, but these vile people still spread their could-be-taken-out-of-context-filth in movies. In comedy clubs. In newspapers. We already stamp it out in social media, it only makes sense we stamp it out elsewhere.’

It’s an easy grand-standing soap-box for a politician to use to get into office, or try to bolster their public image, or just to lash out because they are incapable of understanding context.

I respect that we may disagree on this matter, but I have seen all of this before, and I fear I will see it again and again throughout my lifetime. I really don’t want to end up in a world where making fun of some hateful asshole gets me treated the same as that hateful asshole just because other hateful assholes can’t understand they are being mocked or spoken out against. ]

 

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Thad, 8 Jan 2018 @ 2:15pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

[ I would argue that context (satire / not satire) is irrelevant in this situation. It is entirely subjective

I can’t speak to German law, but in the US there are well-established legal guidelines for identifying satire. I see you’re a fan of Popehat; here are some posts there that might help:

Satire Is Satire Even When People Fall For It, Mr. Jarvis

Satire vs. Potentially Defamatory Factual Statements: An Illustration

The First Amendment Protects Satire Even When Reckless, Stupid, Or Ideology-Addled People Fall For It

D.C. Circuit: First Amendment Trumps Birthers, Stupid People, Walruses]

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Richard (profile), 8 Jan 2018 @ 11:24am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

[Ok I’ll be more direct.

Governments aren’t really interested in avoiding hurting people’s feelings. They are interested in getting re-elected (or maintaining power by more direct and forceful ways).

Generally this means maintaining a narrative in the public square. Usually this involves making the public believe a lie.

For example the North Korea is desperate to maintain the illusion that its people are actually better off than those in the South.

Something similar is true for all totalitarian governments but also for governments in democratic countries, although in the latter case the mechanism are usually more subtle.

For example Margaret Thatcher and John Major stayed in power for 18 years with the lie “there is no alternative” – propagated by the Murdoch press in the UK.

All governments are prepared to kill or allow people to be killed in order to maintain power. Do you really think this law is about not allowing people’s feelings to be hurt?

No, all censorship is always about protecting a lie that the government needs to protect.

In this case the first half of the lie is that there are no negative consequences to Merkel’s policy of allowing huge numbers of mostly muslim migrants to enter the country.

The second half is that anybody who questions the policy is automatically a neo-nazi extremist. The second half of the lie is most important since it almost guarantees that only genuine neo-nazi extremists will dare to speak out. They then become easy fodder for the law.

The fact that large numbers of Germans voted for AfD in spite of this has provoked this law – because Merkel is scared that the people have stopped believing her lies. ]

 

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Richard (profile), 8 Jan 2018 @ 11:24am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

[Ok I’ll be more direct.

Governments aren’t really interested in avoiding hurting people’s feelings. They are interested in getting re-elected (or maintaining power by more direct and forceful ways).

Generally this means maintaining a narrative in the public square. Usually this involves making the public believe a lie.

For example the North Korea is desperate to maintain the illusion that its people are actually better off than those in the South.

Something similar is true for all totalitarian governments but also for governments in democratic countries, although in the latter case the mechanism are usually more subtle.

For example Margaret Thatcher and John Major stayed in power for 18 years with the lie “there is no alternative” – propagated by the Murdoch press in the UK.

All governments are prepared to kill or allow people to be killed in order to maintain power. Do you really think this law is about not allowing people’s feelings to be hurt ?

No, all censorship is always about protecting a lie that the government needs to protect.

In this case the first half of the lie is that there are no negative consequences to Merkel’s policy of allowing huge numbers of mostly muslim migrants to enter the country.

 

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The second half is that anybody who questions the policy is automatically a neo-nazi extremist. The second half of the lie is most important since it almost guarantees that only genuine neo-nazi extremists will dare to speak out. They then become easy fodder for the law.

The fact that large numbers of Germans voted for AfD in spite of this has provoked this law – because Merkel is scared that the people have stopped believing her lies.]

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Ryunosuke (profile), 8 Jan 2018 @ 11:08am

[so… the only way for Germany to combat Nazi-ism online… is to institute Nazi-like policies to the internet…. did I miss something ?]

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Anonymous Coward, 8 Jan 2018 @ 11:16am

Re:

[so… the only way for Germany to combat Nazi-ism online… is to institute Nazi-like policies to the internet…. did I miss something?

I think they call it “fighting fire with fire”. Others might call it “throwing gasoline on the fire”. Either way it’s an arsonist’s dream.]

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THIRD ARTICLE

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180111/15543538989/second-time-week-german-hate-speech-laws-results-deletion-innocent-speech.shtml

For The Second Time In A Week, German Hate Speech Laws Results In Deletion Of Innocent Speech

from the hate-speech-law-takes-on-law-of-unintended-consequences;-loses-immediately dept

[It’s going to be a fun few months for German government officials as they run from one embarrassing fire to the next, hoping to keep their newly-minted “hate speech” law from being scrapped for sheer ineptitude.

The law went live January 1st, promising hefty fines for social media companies if they don’t remove poorly-defined “hate speech” fast enough. This has resulted in exactly the sort of side effects the law’s critics promised. The only remarkable thing is how fast the side effects have presented themselves.

Within 72 hours of the law’s debut, a satirical post mocking a German’s politician’s bigoted words was deleted by Twitter in an apparently proactive move. The 24-hour window for content removal is backed by €50m fines for each violation. Given the amount of money on the line, it’s no surprise social media companies are trying to stay ahead of Germany’s government when it comes to regulating speech. It’s also no surprise Twitter, et al are relying heavily on users to help narrow down which questionable posts it should be looking at.

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You can already see where this is headed. For the second time in less than a week, Twitter has pulled the trigger on an innocent tweet. And, again, the entity whose tweet has been deleted is big enough to attract the attention of German lawmakers.

Germany signalled on Monday it was open to amending a controversial law combatting online hate speech as the justice minister fell victim to the rules he himself championed.

The move came after Twitter deleted a post by Heiko Maas dating back to 2010 before he was appointed justice minister, in which he called a fellow politician “an idiot”.

The post was deleted after Twitter received several complaints, fuelling a simmering row over the new regulation which critics say stifle freedom of speech.

Proponents of laws targeting speech tend to believe the law will operate in a pristine vacuum where only the purest of intentions will be honored. Anyone operating outside of this mindset knows exactly how speech-targeting laws work in real life: exactly like this, where an internet dogpile resulted in the deletion of a tweet that didn’t even meet the expansive definitions of hate speech handed down by the German government.

As a result of multiple, high-profile false positives, many German politicians are now complaining about the law and demanding it be altered or struck down. But even with political sentiment swiftly turning against the just-enacted law, the German government will apparently take a wait-and-see approach to touching up the law.

Government spokesman Steffen Seibert said an evaluation would be carried out within six months to examine how well the new law was working.

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The way things are going, it’s doubtful the law will make it six weeks before being clawed back for a rewrite.]

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Some sensible comments :

aerinai (profile), 12 Jan 2018 @ 8:35am

[Best learning tool ever

In some ways I’m happy that this law passed. It will be used as a case study for all future administrations and freedom-of-speech advocates on what NOT to do. Too many times these laws never make it this far (for good reason) and all pundits have are hypothetical harms, which are easy to ignore. Harder to ignore something like this… silver linings and all…

Too much to hope that this will help stop SESTA here in the States ?]

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Sharur (profile), 12 Jan 2018 @ 9:58am

[Re: It was Twitter which “didn’t even meet the expansive definitions of hate speech”.

But the law puts the onus on Twitt[er, et al, to remove content, within 24hrs of posting, not governmental complaint. It also, incorrectly, in my opinion, targets not only companies, are able to afford to fight this in court, but also individual employees, which cannot. It is, in my opinion, a bad law, simply on the merits of its fine structure and lack of due process; and in the words of Abraham Lincon: “The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly.” Strict enforcement of this law is showing its true colors.]

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The General De GAULLE says about german hate speech law   :

  • « One word is enough :

– Ridiculous ! »

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